January 17, 2005

I'll Give You a Topic...

Is the swastika more offensive than the Confederate flag? Why or why not?

Posted by Jennifer at January 17, 2005 09:00 AM


Hell yeah. The swastika became a symbol of opression and murder and was recognized as such by its users. The Confederate flag (I'm assuming you mean the battle flag?) is associated with opression and slavery by some but this association did not come about until well after the Confederacy.

While both of these are tarnished symbols the swastika is far worse because the horrors perpetrated under its banners were embraced and accepted by the people responsible for the symbol itself.

Posted by: Jim at January 17, 2005 10:00 AM

The confederate battle flag did not arrive on the scene until the Civil War. The original Confederacy flag is similar to one of the original American flags. Nazism is an ideological/facist movement that destroyed 'lesser human beings' and the confederacy was the 'leave me and my slaves alone' ideology. No matter how you look at evil, someone might attempt to rationalize its 'good points'.

Posted by: jrd at January 17, 2005 11:39 AM

It's not even close. It's pretty impossible to list the positive elements of Nazism, but the federalist aspect of states rights that was the premise of the Confederacy in the Civil War has merit.

That said, I don't have a Confederate Flag. I'm from NY and live in KY. The Notre Dame flag is dangerous enough here in University of Kentucky land. Trust me.

Posted by: Hammertime at January 17, 2005 12:36 PM

well, the swastika, as I understand it, was adapted or taken right from an older symbol that had a mundane, inoffensive meaning. Something to do with good luck or some such. It was the Nazia who took it and made it something else entirely.

Notwithstanding, I still find it a much more offensive symbol, as I'm sure most people do. You don't see the Nazi flag flying on any state buildings ANYWHERE, as you might see the stars and bars in a few places. People associated the Rebel battle banner with slavery after the fact. It was neither the official colors of the confederacy nor the national flag; it was strictly a battle flag.

Posted by: shank at January 17, 2005 01:43 PM

I think that it would be, though I'm not offended by either. Here is my thinking on it. The Nazi flag stood for a super race of humans, a facist socialist society, and a police state.

The Confederate flag, represented southern pride, and still does. The south has always been proud of being southern, just like Texans are proud of being Texans. It didnt necessarily represent slavery.

Posted by: Statesman at January 17, 2005 06:06 PM

I find neither offensive, because I associate them with Hogan's Heroes and Dukes of Hazzard, respectively, so they both strike me as rather silly.

Posted by: Harvey at January 18, 2005 12:20 AM

Offensiveness is in the eye of the beholder, is it not. Would the answer you get from a black man who grew up in Mississippi in the 1960s be the same as the answer you get from a Jewish man who grew up in Germany in the 1950s?

I suspect not.

Some say the Confederate flag represents Southern pride. Others, whose ancestors suffered beneath that "pride" before the Civil War and suffered beneath the weight of lynchings, Jim Crow laws, and other institutionalized discrimination in the century AFTER the Civil War would disagree that the "pride" was indeed worthwhile.

The swastika was a had meaning far more than what the Nazis represented, long before they appropriated the symbol. Does their use of this symbol mean that all that became before (including some Native American religions) is now completely invalidated because of their prior use of that symbol?

As I said, meaning is in the eye of the beholder. You will get as many answers as there are people.

Posted by: Jack at January 18, 2005 11:27 AM

To me it is not so much offensiveness, as to which one makes my blood run colder faster, or scares me to death, and that is the swastika. I know many holocaust survivors as well as someone who was one of the first at Auschwitz upon it's liberation. It just chills me to the core.

I see someone wear a swastika and I want to reach over and protect my children. I see someone with a Confederate flag in the back of their pick up, I don't have that reaction. Too many people feel too many ways about the Confederate flag... not so of the modern Swastika and what it stands for. It is Evil.

Posted by: Boudicca at January 18, 2005 04:42 PM

The Confederate flag is actually the Naval flag right? As I remember being told the Confederate had three main flags plus their State flags. Anyway, most people with a Confederate Naval flag are racists, surely?
The Nazi flag doesn't offend me. The American flag on the moon offends me.

Posted by: Monjo at January 24, 2005 06:14 AM