October 02, 2004
Cliff's Notes Quotes
I came across this quote again while looking something up for my dad. It pissed me off months ago and it still pisses me off. So I'll just summarize it in my own words.
What he said...
"There is no salvation for those outside the Church...I believe it. Put it this way. My wife is a saint. She's a much better person than I am. Honestly. She's like, Episcopalian, Church of England. She prays, she believes in God, she knows Jesus, she believes in that stuff. And it's just not fair if she doesn't make it, she's better than I am. But that is a pronouncement from the chair. I go with it."-Mel Gibson
My interpretation...
My God cares more about how you worship than how you live.Posted by Jennifer at October 2, 2004 12:20 PM
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That would pretty much be the gist of it. I always knew those Presbyterian roots of yours would prove useful someday. ;)
Posted by: Rev. Mike at October 2, 2004 01:55 PMIt turns out Mel is just as fallen and misdirected as all of us.
21 But now, apart from the law, God's righteousness has been revealed--attested by the Law and the Prophets 22 --that is, God's righteousness through faith in Jesus Christ, to all who believe, since there is no distinction. 23 For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. 24 They are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.Romans 3:21-24
I wonder what Mel means by "a pronouncement from the chair". That no one is saved who isn't with the Church is a pronouncement from the Church, methinks.
Posted by: Tuning Spork at October 3, 2004 03:56 PMThe Chair of the Pope. Mr. Gibson is Catholic and believes in Papal infallibility. Also not in the Bible ;-)
Posted by: Fireproof4ever at October 3, 2004 08:10 PMWell, I'm one fella who has questions aplenty for the Catholic Church.
My mother was raised Catholic, but raised us kids Protestant (Congregational).
I once asked her why she didn't raise us Catholic.
She just looked at me and said "You just thank God that I didn't raise you Catholic."
Oooookay, Mom. :)
Posted by: Tuning Spork at October 4, 2004 11:01 PMDear Jen:
The point is being missed here.
Religion IS the problem -- look at the world today (no in-depth required; just the headlines).
Go back and read most of Western history.
Case proven. I rest.
Best,
-Will
HMMMMMM.....Religion is the problem......Well let us test that. Stalin-No Religion=Millions Dead, Hitler-No Religion= Millions dead, Lenin-No Religion=Millions dead. Some how I do not think religion is the problem. It is true religion has been and is being used to justify violence, but without some sort of moral framework violence abounds unchecked.
My God says
I have told you these things so that in Me you may have peace. In the world you have suffering. But take courage! I have conquered the world. John 16:33
for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God
Romans 3:23
For nation will rise up against nation, and kingdom against kingdom.
Mark 13:8
Then brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child. Children will rise up against parents and put them to death. 13 And you will be hated by all because of My name. But the one who endures to the end, this one will be delivered.
Mark 13:12
Therefore, no condemnation now exists for those in Christ Jesus, 2 because the Spirit's law of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death.
Romans 8:1,2
It seems to me that we are all acting as the fallen world we are.
Posted by: Fireproof4ever at October 11, 2004 09:34 PM
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